How can “finding the fun” keep you relevant, satisfied, and motivated in business? Why is FOMO stalling your success? What is the real secret to being successful and content in your work? 

In this podcast episode, Joe Sanok and Pat Flynn discuss the changing world of passive income. 

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Meet Pat Flynn







Pat Flynn is a husband, father, and serial entrepreneur who helps dreamers become achievers. He’s the creator behind Smart Passive Income, the author of several bestselling books like Superfans, Will It Fly?, and his newest release, Lean Learning: How Successful People Achieve More. Pat shares both the heights of success and learnings from failure—about business, tech, parenting, and more—with clarity, humor, and heart.

Visit Pat’s website and connect on Instagram and YouTube. See also, Deep Pocket Monster.

In This Podcast



* How to stay relevant to yourself and others 

* The ethos of Pat Flynn’s new book 

* What habits we need to undo to make more money 

* Pat’s advice to private practitioners 



How to stay relevant to yourself and others

In the digital world of seemingly endless information, experts, and tools, it can seem daunting to always have to come up with the Next Big Thing to stay relevant, either to your business, your clients, or even your personal identity. 

It is not a race, but more a question of knowing how to keep the ball rolling. How to do it? According to Pat, “Find and follow the fun.”



How have I kept going all these years? And it’s just one, quick, easy principle: I try to find the fun. Wherever I can find the fun, I will always make time for it. I will always make time for it, and as I’m doing it, even when it’s hard, hard and fun, you know, it can be the same. (Pat Flynn)